Upgrade · Relay

The Origin of Apple

March 30, 2026·1 hr 41 min·5 clips
Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak met on a sidewalk while Woz was washing his car — here's the exact moment Apple began.
A movie speech opens the door. Mike reads Noah Wiley as Steve Jobs, then pokes at the drama by asking why he is reading it in the first place. Upgrade is marking Apple at 50, which gives Jason space to tell the founding story without letting it float off into legend. The episode stays loose, even when the setup gestures at big claims about changing consciousness. Jason keeps pulling it back to the workbench: parts, circuits, and practical choices. The personal computer is almost here, but not quite. Jason treats the mid-1970s as the awkward in-between moment, when the idea is visible but still not the thing ordinary people now imagine. Homebrew is the turn. In 1975, electronics hobbyists are gathering around computers and the arrival of personal machines. The useful realization is simple: looking at the Altair, the builder sees he can make the circuit board himself instead of buying the whole machine. Fewer chips feels cleaner. The Intel chip helps simplify the design, and the computer starts to seem like something a person could actually assemble. Then the TV terminal comes back into play. A keyboard, video circuitry, and television output from an earlier project suddenly look like the missing half. That is the fun leap. Use an ordinary TV as the display, add a keyboard, and the machine starts to look obvious only because this path helped make it obvious. Mike keeps the ride moving. Jason brings the affection for the practical hack. The episode closes with feedback, Upgrade Plus, YouTube, sponsors, and a cheerful birthday to Apple Computer Corporation.

As heard by us

Upgrade makes Apple's origin feel like a story of keyboards, televisions, hobbyist clubs, and Woz's circuit-board leap.

Upgrade treats Apple's origin less as polished company myth than as a series of practical engineering moves. Mike Hurley opens with the familiar Steve Jobs aura, quoting Pirates of Silicon Valley as the show begins its Apple at 50 run, but Jason Snell quickly grounds the story…

Read the full review in PlayNext →

Why you'd press play

The TV terminal project is the piece of the Apple origin story most accounts skip right over.

Read the full recommendation in PlayNext →
Listen to the show on