The Wisdom Tradition | a philosophy podcast · Alexander Sachon

Discussing THE COMING WORLD NATION with Kyle Kingsbury

October 22, 2025·1 hr 2 min·4 clips

The book’s core model is three layers: overt government, deep state, and a technocratic super state.

1. The Wisdom Tradition episode with Kyle Kingsbury centers on The Coming World Nation and its argument about global governance, empire, and hidden history. 2. Alex welcomes Kyle Kingsbury as a guest who brings personal experience, book recommendations, and a strong interest in the subject matter. 3. The episode asks what the book is for: whether the world is moving toward a single governance structure and what that would mean. 4. Kingsbury describes reading Susan Humphries’ Dissolving Illusions, Dr. Thomas Cowan, and Bobby Kennedy’s The Real Anthony Fauci as part of his shift on vaccines. 5. He says his two children, ages 10 and 5, have never had a shot and are “perfectly healthy” and “perfectly intelligent.” 6. He says parent testimony in Vaxxed matters because parents know each stage of a child’s development and notice sudden changes after shots. 7. He argues that what many people accept about vaccines could change after reading “one good book” or hearing one mother’s account. 8. Kingsbury says the title The Coming World Nation grabbed him because it presents global nationhood as something unavoidable. 9. He cites Neil Donald Walsh’s A Conversation with God and the phrase “by any means necessary” as a prompt for thinking about one-world governance. 10. The guest says his formal background is in human geography, with teenage reading of Jared Diamond’s Collapse and Guns, Germs, and Steel. 11. He says Catherine Austin Fitts called the planet’s governance structure “a mystery,” which he uses to justify a systems-level analysis. 12. He describes the book as a 12,000-year history of civilization built from sociology, theosophy, Helena Blavatsky, and Manly P. Hall. 13. He calls Manly P. Hall “the master teacher of philosophy” and says he wrote a book about him. 14. The episode frames the American Revolution as incomplete because European financial power survived through the Bank of England and later the Federal Reserve. 15. Kingsbury says financial capitalism was built to “expand and contract and consolidate,” which he argues is why it fits empire. 16. He says the 1800s were a nonstop assault on America by European capital and that the 1900s inherited that structure. 17. He distinguishes between the American nation state taught in school and the American empire shaped by private financial capital and oligarchs. 18. The interview format is wide-ranging, with Alex pushing links from Rockefellers to UFOs while Kingsbury answers in a formal, explanatory style. 19. Listeners interested in empire, UFO history, and hidden systems of power will likely get the most from it. 20. Listeners wanting a conventional politics interview or brief answers may skip it.

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A dense conversation about vaccine politics, secrecy, power, and historical speculation.

The conversation ties vaccine politics, secrecy, empire, and technocracy into a single line of argument, then keeps widening to Tesla, the Manhattan Project, and a theory of hidden governance.

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