The Talking Hedge

Cannabis Lessons Every State Should Learn From Washington (but wont)

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In Washington State, growing a single cannabis plant at home is a Class C felony, despite legal adult-use sales.
The episode begins with an ad for Vangst360, a hiring platform for cannabis businesses, before transitioning to the main discussion. Host Tom introduces the panel from Washington State, framing the state as an OG in the legal cannabis market and a petri dish for lessons. Josh Kincaid, host of The Talking Hedge podcast, introduces himself and sets the stage by emphasizing learning from Washington's mistakes. Caitlin Ryan, executive director of the Cannabis Alliance, explains her organization's role in policy and equity work. Neil Janeja, managing partner at Gleam Law, outlines his firm's cannabis-focused legal practice across multiple states. The panel delves into Washington's regulatory history, starting with medical cannabis in 1998 and adult-use legalization in 2012, with stores opening in 2014. Neil describes the state's unique licensing structure, which prohibits vertical integration and requires a six-month residency for license holders, a rule upheld by courts citing federal illegality. Caitlin discusses the challenges of Washington's closed system to out-of-state capital, noting it initially fostered independent businesses but now hinders growth, with legislation pending to address this. Josh highlights key mistakes, including making home cultivation a Class C felony and banning cannabis lounges, which stifles culture and revenue. Caitlin expands on the home grow issue, revealing racial disparities in enforcement and recent arrest protections for medical patients. She criticizes the state's prohibitionist attitude among legislators. Neil explains the current licensing market, where licenses must be purchased secondhand, with prices ranging from $20,000 for processors to $2 million for retailers. The episode concludes with contact information for the panelists, recorded live at MJBizCon 2023.

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