The State of Energy · Rocky Mountain Propane Association

Clean the Air with Special Guest EV Auto Owner Alex Lawrence

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Tom Clark starts by tossing out one of those ridiculous on-the-fly lines that makes the whole show sound like it was wired in during lunch. Rand DeWitt rolls with it, because that is how this thing works. The hosts point listeners to the website, the Instagram account, and the rebates tied to clean propane-powered appliance upgrades. They mention builder rebates too, plus water heater and furnace incentives. Then they bring in Dr. Alex Lawrence, and the room gets smarter fast. He is introduced as an associate professor at Weber State University and the owner of an EV-focused used-car business. The show leans into the joke that bringing in a very smart guest makes the hosts feel like they are catching up in real time. Lawrence explains that his company started with regular used cars and then shifted toward EVs and plug-in hybrids. He says the goal is not to greenwash anything. Instead, the business is about building a national used-EV brand with service and sales locations that can actually scale. He describes the growth path as deliberately frugal. First one location. Then two. Then five. Then eight. Then ten. He talks about leasing a rough location, buying land, building stores, and opening more sites over time. Cybertrucks and trailers come up as part of the Utah, Colorado, and soon-to-be-California footprint. The hosts circle back to the consumer side and ask whether EVs are really the right answer in a state where a lot of electricity still comes from coal. Lawrence says EVs are not for everybody. He also says he is comfortable with Trump getting rid of the mandate. He does not think EV adoption will climb as quickly as many of his peers expect. That pushback gives the segment some teeth. The conversation keeps one foot in policy and one foot in the showroom. It treats fuel economy, ratepayer pressure, incentives, and infrastructure as live problems, not abstract talking points. The episode closes with more contact info, a reminder that the show is on multiple radio stations, and a last little joke about a domain name that costs a penny. The whole thing feels loose, argumentative, and useful at the same time.

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A practical EV and incentives conversation that keeps market reality and adoption friction front and center.

State of Energy moves from propane rebates into a grounded look at EVs, used-EV growth, and the slower pace of adoption some expect. Tom Clark and Rand DeWitt give Dr.

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