The Spiritual Scientist Podcast · Mick Young

Counselling, Carl Rogers, Rudolf Steiner and the New Connection with the Spiritual World

·1 hr 44 min·5 clips

Steiner said spiritual communication “will not be possible in 30 years’ time.”

The host opens by greeting Yehuda Tegar, founder of Psychophonetics, and places him as a consultant, counselor, psychotherapist, and teacher who runs training courses in different parts of the world. The conversation begins as a continuation of an earlier visit and settles into a slower, more reflective register. The host notes that they have since met in person, which gives the exchange a warmer, more grounded feel. From there, the talk turns to the changing relationship between the human being and the spiritual world that Steiner spoke about. Yehuda treats that shift as a live question for therapy, not just a historical one. He argues that Steiner was pointing beyond Steiner himself, toward the spiritual in the world and the spiritual in us. He keeps returning to the need for a fresh personal connection to that reality. The conversation makes clear that the modern soul is complicated and cannot be handled with inherited formulas alone. Yehuda says the way back runs through antipathy toward the soul, psychology, and inward looking. He describes that resistance as part of the decadence of the anthroposophical movement. He sees current difficulties as the result of refusing to engage the psychological life directly. Psychophonetics appears here as a practical renewal rather than a slogan. Yehuda stresses that it comes from thirty years of work in psychotherapy, teaching, and practice in many countries. He sets that lived method apart from reducing Steiner to a few lectures. The host presses on what has actually been done with the material in practice. The discussion touches Robert Sardello as an example of a careful reader who stayed humble about what he did and did not fully understand. Yehuda points to Steiner’s references to forms of the soul and says that even strong psychotherapists have not fully cracked them. The conversation also moves into the publication history of Wisdom of Man, with its anthroposophy, psychosophy, and pneumatosophy sections. That history becomes another example of how easily the material gets flattened or misunderstood. Throughout, the guest keeps coming back to the difference between reading Steiner and actually working the material into lived therapeutic practice. The episode ends the way it begins, with patient listening and a shared interest in what these ideas mean now.

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A serious, unhurried look at Steiner, therapy, and the spiritual life of practice.

Yehuda Tegar guides the conversation from anthroposophy into questions about the spiritual world, the soul, and what therapy can hold of both.

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