EP. 400: The Melting Point: An Interview with Former CENTCOM Commander General McKenzie, USMC

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General McKenzie explains why only the combatant commander gives policy advice and then executes it, with a chain of command directly to the president.

The episode features an interview with retired Marine Corps General Frank McKenzie, former commander of U.S. Central Command, about his book 'Melting Point: High Command and War in the 21st Century.' Host Bill Hamblet introduces McKenzie and notes the book's insider perspective on national security decisions. McKenzie discusses his early writing career and the origins of his book. He explains the unique role of a combatant commander, who advises national leadership and executes policy with a direct chain to the president. Iran is identified as the most threatening country in the CENTCOM region due to its malign activities and conventional weapons. McKenzie details the 2020 strike on Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, describing the intelligence, presidential decision, and aftermath, including the Iranian missile response at Al-Asad Air Base. He critiques the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, arguing that parallel evacuations of civilians and at-risk Afghans should have occurred earlier to avoid chaos. McKenzie emphasizes the principle of civilian control of the military, arguing senior leaders should not resign over policy disagreements. He references historical examples like General Marshall during World War II. The discussion touches on the establishment of CENTCOM and Navy opposition. McKenzie analyzes the 2018 National Defense Strategy's focus on China, suggesting it lacked nuance and damaged relationships in the Middle East. Current Middle East tensions are explored, including the Hamas-Israel conflict, Houthi blockade of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, and Iranian missile threats. McKenzie notes the potential for regional cooperation against Iran through shared air defense systems. The episode concludes with McKenzie's insights on future opportunities in the region despite ongoing challenges.

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