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The Permission to Burn It Down (And Start Over on Your Terms)

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Jen Hatmaker asks, "Who told me I was not trustworthy?" and ties it to purity culture.

1. The Goal Digger Podcast episode centers on Jen Hatmaker's book Awake and the question of what happens when a personal or professional life no longer fits who someone is becoming. 2. Host Jenna Kutcher introduces Jen Hatmaker as a best-selling author of 14 books, including four New York Times bestsellers, and the host of the award-winning For the Love podcast. 3. The episode asks whether a woman should stay with a successful business or start over on her own terms when intuition says the work is out of alignment. 4. Jen Hatmaker says her earliest business model had "traction," "momentum," and "commercial success" in evangelical women's subculture. 5. She describes changing as a person of faith around what she believes, what she cares about, and where she spends her time and energy. 6. She says some parts of work can be kept while others are steered in a different direction. 7. Hatmaker repeats that instincts matter when a part of work no longer brings joy or becomes "a burden instead of a joy." 8. She says the disruptive part is real, but adds, "You know what you know." 9. She argues that wisdom can be trusted even when the next steps involve loss and risk. 10. Hatmaker traces her distrust of herself back to conservative church space, purity culture, and messages that her body was "a problem." 11. She says she was taught her desires were "highly suspect" and that she was "not a trustworthy narrator" in her own life. 12. She says young women were told to police both their own bodies and the boys around them. 13. Hatmaker says the reversal has been hard and that she is still working on it at 51. 14. She points to her 25-year-old daughter and 19-year-old daughter as examples of a different generation that is already more in charge of itself. 15. Jenna Kutcher tells her own story of a "bootleg copy" of Awake and says she read parts of it aloud to Drew. 16. Hatmaker says her life "crumbled," leaving her without a way to separate keepers from rubble at 46 after marrying at 19. 17. She says her community became a generous and clear mirror, reflecting back her character when she could not see it herself. 18. The episode sounds like a long-form conversation with personal examples, candid confessions, and frequent back-and-forth between Jenna Kutcher and Jen Hatmaker. 19. People navigating midlife reinvention, entrepreneurship, or faith shifts would likely find this episode useful. 20. Listeners looking for quick business tactics or a light promotional interview may skip it.

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