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Recall - Rank The World's Best AI

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GPT-5 was hyped as the best AI model ever, but users found it underperformed in real-world tests.
Andy Pickering interviews Michael Senner, co-founder of Recall, about building a decentralized evaluation network for AI. They discuss flaws in current benchmarking, how Recall uses community-driven competitions to rank AI agents and models, and the future of AI agents automating daily tasks. Senner shares examples like crypto trading challenges and quirky tests like avoiding em-dashes.

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A clear look at how AI rankings are built, and how easy they are to game.

The episode frames AI reputation as a test design problem. The guest argues that models get judged against benchmarks built by labs or eval firms, then tuned to do well on those same measures once they are public.

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Press play if you want the messy business of AI rankings explained without the hype.

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