FULL INTERVIEW Senator Josh Hawley: Toxic Masculinity and Manhood

·1 hr 8 min·5 clips

Senator Josh Hawley argues the left tells men that to be a man is to be toxic, leading to a crisis of purpose.

The episode features an interview with Senator Josh Hawley on the Babylon Bee podcast, hosted by Jarrett Lemaster and Sam Greer. Hawley discusses his book on manhood, which he describes as an open letter to his two sons, aiming to counter the message that masculinity is inherently toxic. He explains his upbringing in a small Missouri town with a supportive father who taught him hunting and sports. Hawley contrasts his vision of self-sacrificial manhood with figures like Andrew Tate, whom he criticizes for promoting a self-centered ethos. The hosts and Hawley engage in a lighthearted segment comparing the manliness of various historical and contemporary figures, including Vladimir Putin, Andrew Tate, and Theodore Roosevelt. Hawley shares his Christian faith testimony, detailing how he came to faith through his parents and how it guides his life. He recounts personal struggles, such as losing a friend to suicide and a health scare with his son Elijah, which deepened his reliance on faith. The conversation shifts to political topics, including Hawley's objection to certifying Pennsylvania's 2020 election results, which led to Simon & Schuster canceling his book 'The Tyranny of Big Tech.' He frames this as an attack on free speech and encourages resistance to authoritarian impulses on the left. Hawley also describes surreal experiences in the Senate, like a law professor accusing him of transphobia for saying men cannot get pregnant. The interview concludes with rapid-fire questions on topics like cigars versus pipes and his historical heroes, including George Washington and Jesus Christ.

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A biblical argument about manhood detours through Jordan Peterson, myth, and lobsters.

Manhood is framed as a question of authority: who defines it, and where that definition begins. The guest answers through the Bible, returning to Genesis and Adam's charge to care for the garden.

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You want a manhood conversation that grounds its argument in Genesis and still leaves room for a Jordan Peterson lobster aside.

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