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بحث روز: تاکید پاکستان به ادامه جنگ با طالبان

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Safarov argues Pakistan created the Taliban but now the Taliban behaves like a grown child who no longer obeys its father — making Pakistani leverage over the group essentially obsolete.

1. بحث روز examines the collapse of Taliban-Pakistan negotiations in Urumqi, China, and Pakistan's declared continuation of military operations against terrorist groups inside Afghanistan. 2. Host Khatere Safai moderates a panel including Mujibur Rahman Rahimi from the Freedom and Development Committee in London, Rajab Safarov from the Iranian Institute of Studies in Moscow, and Hatif Mukhtar from the International Institute of Strategic Studies. 3. The episode's framing asks whether the Urumqi talks failed because of Taliban intransigence, Pakistani bad faith, or structural incompatibility between the two sides' demands. 4. Rahimi explains the talks were organized under Chinese pressure but involved only lower-ranking representatives, signaling neither side expected a breakthrough — both used the talks mainly to assess the other side's positions. 5. The core Pakistani demand is that the Taliban stop supporting TTP inside Afghanistan; the Taliban's position is that it shares an ideological and organizational history with TTP that makes formal separation politically difficult. 6. Mukhtar argues Pakistan's stated counter-terrorism goals are a cover for a strategy of regime change in Afghanistan, pointing out that recent Pakistani airstrikes killed 400 people in Kabul and a family of 17 in Jalalabad without hitting any TTP positions. 7. He argues TTP operates in Pakistan's own border territory and within Pakistani-administered regions, not primarily from Afghan soil, making Pakistan responsible for managing TTP domestically. 8. Safarov introduces the parent-child metaphor to explain why Pakistani leverage over the Taliban has collapsed: Pakistan created the Taliban with the same culture, ideology, and financial support that Western experts enabled, and now finds the Taliban unwilling to obey. 9. He adds that no country on Afghanistan's border can easily cooperate with the Taliban, and that Russia's special envoy Kovalev has spent years attempting to bring Afghanistan into global economic integration without success because the Taliban government has not established inclusive governance. 10. Safarov accuses Mukhtar of either refusing to see the reality of Taliban governance — the suppression of women, the absence of a representative government — or of having adopted Taliban's worldview entirely. 11. The live confrontation between Safarov and Mukhtar becomes heated, with the host having to intervene multiple times to maintain the discussion format. 12. Rahimi argues that Taliban support for TTP, Baloch separatists through Indian intelligence networks, and anti-Pakistan armed movements has turned Afghanistan into a regional security threat — making Pakistani strikes a consequence of Taliban policy rather than unprovoked aggression. 13. He states bluntly: 'The Taliban that Pakistan built destroyed Afghanistan and the Republic' — and argues that a thousand years of history would show you cannot build a legitimate system through such methods. 14. Mukhtar, while acknowledging Taliban governance is not ideal and that Afghan women deserve rights and education, argues that the solution is not further intelligence and security wars in Afghanistan that would result in another 20 years of bloodshed. 15. He proposes that any political change in Afghanistan must come from a national association of Afghans rather than from outside military or intelligence operations — specifically rejecting what he calls 'Pakistani narrative' as the framework for Afghan political change. 16. Safarov notes that China's mediation attempt in Urumqi also failed partly because Afghanistan accuses Pakistan of backing India, and Pakistan believes India-backed groups are operating from Afghan territory, making trust between the sides structurally difficult. 17. The panel reflects three significantly divergent positions: Rahimi takes a realpolitik view of Taliban culpability; Mukhtar defends Afghan sovereignty while criticizing Taliban governance; Safarov speaks from Russia's perspective of wanting regional stability but finding Taliban governance an obstacle. 18. The episode's format deteriorates into direct personal confrontation in the final third, which the host manages imperfectly but which makes the regional tension palpable. 19. Regional security analysts, Afghan diaspora professionals, and researchers tracking Pakistan-Afghanistan relations and China's Central Asian mediation role will find the competing frameworks most useful. 20. Listeners seeking measured diplomatic analysis rather than contested panel debate with personal friction may find the episode difficult to follow.

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