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Ep. 95: The Philosophical Implications of Radical Life Extension - A Conversation with John Martin Fischer

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John Martin Fischer says Silicon Valley billionaires can fetishize longevity and health while forgetting what they should lead to.

1. Stranded Technologies Podcast frames the episode around radical life extension, “longer lives,” and the question of why frontier technologies like longevity still face over-regulation. 2. John Martin Fischer, Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the University of California, Riverside, brings work on free will, moral responsibility, death, and the meaning of life to the discussion. 3. The episode asks what life extension means philosophically, especially after Fischer’s visit to Vitalist Bay in San Francisco and his interest in the “movement.” 4. Fischer describes how his thinking on immortality began 30 to 35 years ago, when he taught death and immortality at Yale University and found Bernard Williams’ conclusion unintuitive. 5. He summarizes Williams’ “The Makropoulos Case: Reflections on the Tedium of Immortality,” where a 330-year-old character considers another 300 years from an elixir that prevents aging but not accidents. 6. Fischer says Williams’ boredom argument failed to persuade him because 300 years does not seem long and philosophers keep encountering new novels, poems, theories, and experiences. 7. He also mentions other anti-immortality arguments about meaningfulness, borders, and finitude, comparing lives to sculptures with definite shape. 8. Another objection he names is the stages-of-life argument, which says a recognizable human life has stages such as infancy, adolescence, adulthood, and old age. 9. Fischer brings in pop culture through only Lovers Left Alive, the Jim Jarmusch film with Tilda Swinton and Tom Hiddleston, as an example of a more positive immortality story. 10. He contrasts that with most science fiction, which he says has become more dystopian, including Blade Runner, eco-doom, AI doom, and darker visions of the future. 11. Fischer connects anti-immortality sentiment to a grant-funded project, the Immortality Project, and says empirical work there found males tended to be more pro-immortality than females. 12. He traces the long history of the debate to the Epic of Gilgamesh, where a soldier seeks immortality after a devastating loss, and to Faust as another anti-immortality figure. 13. He says many people rationalize death the way someone might respond to a kidnapper in a Stockholm syndrome situation, because accepting death is psychologically easier than fighting it. 14. Fischer cites Gerald Gruman’s history of thought on immortality, which labeled supporters of longevity “prolongevis” and defenders of the status quo “apologists.” 15. The conversation moves to technology adoption, where Fischer says innovation is often rejected first and later normalized, from the internet and AI to older technologies like bicycles. 16. On AI, Fischer says the question of artificial consciousness remains open, cites Alan Turing’s 1950 paper in Mind, John Searle’s Chinese room argument, and David Chalmers’ hard problem and zombies. 17. He also says free will may be compatible with determinism if freedom is understood as reasons-responsiveness rather than mere uncaused choice. 18. Fischer warns that the technological imperative can push people to build first and reflect later, which makes questions about AI rights, moral status, and control especially important. 19. The interview style is exploratory and academic, with the host pressing Fischer from philosophy into practical implications for founders, entrepreneurs, and technologists. 20. Listeners interested in philosophy of mind, AI, free will, and longevity debates will likely get the most from it, while people seeking a fast technical update on biotech may skip it.

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