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Richard Holden: Money in the 21st Century | Self-Improvement Atlas #63 - L

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Holden frames 21st-century money as "cheap, mobile, and digital."

1. Self-Improvement Atlas: The Personal Science Insights Podcast frames Richard Holden’s episode around "money in the 21st century." 2. Marie Stella hosts the conversation, and Holden appears as an economics professor at the University of New South Wales Business School plus the director of the Economics of Education Knowledge Hub and co-director of the New Economic Policy Initiative. 3. The episode asks what money is becoming, why that matters for financial literacy, and how people should respond to cashless, digital, and programmable payments. 4. Holden says one misconception is that physical cash will still exist in 5, 10, or 15 years, and he rejects that forecast. 5. He says a second misconception is that cryptocurrencies and central bank digital currencies are just debit cards or credit cards, when he thinks they can power Web3, smart contracts, and programmable money. 6. Holden describes money in the 21st century as "cheap, mobile, and digital," linking each word to a different change in the economy. 7. He says interest rates have been historically low since the 2008 financial crisis, even after recent rises in Australia and other advanced economies. 8. He says mobile money includes tap cards, Apple Pay, Google Pay, and the end of counting coins at a coffee shop. 9. He says digital money includes central bank digital currencies, programmable money, and decentralized finance. 10. Holden says the basic transfer of money across borders still takes three to five days from a highly credible bank in Australia to a highly credible bank in the United States. 11. He says blockchain-based pilot programs and atomic swaps could reduce that to seconds by making receipt and payment conditional on each other. 12. He says programmable money could increase economic activity where trust is weaker because some spot transactions currently do not happen without confidence in the counterparty. 13. Holden says smart contracts are financial contracts written in computer code and can only work with digital currency. 14. He says individual use is still limited because current tools require knowledge of Solidity code, Ethereum, and Ether. 15. He says a future with digital U.S. dollars, digital yuan, digital Australian dollars, digital pounds, and digital euros would create an app ecosystem that makes these tools easier to use. 16. He says people probably do not need to prepare much, because new payment systems arrive through user-friendly devices and services rather than through personal planning. 17. Holden’s tone stays explanatory and practical, with examples such as jogging without a wallet, buying coffee with a watch, and comparing Nokia’s interface with the iPhone. 18. The interview format is conversational and wide-ranging, moving from personal habits like golf and cooking to policy, behavioral economics, and technological change. 19. Listeners interested in economics, payments, fintech, and everyday money choices would get the most from it. 20. Listeners wanting entertainment, stories with suspense, or minimal finance content may skip it.

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A practical look at why moving money is still harder than spending it.

Money in the 21st century is framed less as an abstraction than as a matter of how value moves, where it slows, and why trust matters at every step.

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