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S7 E9: At the Tipping Point

August 14, 2024·1 hr 3 min·5 clips

A scientist sketched a world model on napkins to convince elites humanity was heading for disaster.

John Fullerton comes back into view. The former JP Morgan rising star remembers the slow, uncomfortable realization that the worldview he trusted was doing real damage. One book hit hardest: Limits to Growth. It opens the door to a bigger argument about finite systems, economic habit, and the old confidence that growth can keep going because it always has. The deer story is blunt. When predators were removed to protect the Kaibab herd, the herd multiplied until it damaged the habitat keeping it alive. Growth has a shape, and Dana's warning is that exponential growth reaches limits faster than common sense expects. Overshoot comes before collapse. The MIT team saw the same pattern in post-war human activity, especially in the United States. Dennis Meadows gives the scale. Population was doubling every 33 years, while resource consumption was doubling every 20 years. That makes the question harder to dodge. Hunger, disease, poverty, and conflict could not be separated from the planet's physical carrying capacity. Some trends looked reassuring for a while. The Green Revolution lifted agricultural yields even as suburbs, shopping malls, roads, and factories swallowed land. Then pollution enters the frame. DDT arrives as a powerful insect killer, and Rachel Carson's work punctures the easy faith in industrial fixes. The episode closes by turning back to history. It links ecological limits to trade and asks whether the extractive colonial habits behind early capitalist economies ever really stopped.

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A clear-eyed case for how growth runs into finite limits.

Scene on Radio turns John Fullerton's post-9/11 reckoning into a broader argument about what happens when growth keeps pressing against finite limits.

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