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The Tug of War: Why Racial Progress Often Meets Resistance and Backlash

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Karen Messina reads Martin Luther King's words: 'White America is not even psychologically organized to close the gap.'
Psychoanalysts Dr. Karen Messina and Dr. Felicia Powell-Williams examine the psychological patterns behind racial progress followed by backlash, using examples like the removal of Martin Luther King's bust from the White House and contemporary debates over Juneteenth and critical race theory. They apply psychoanalytic concepts of defense mechanisms—denial, suppression, projection—to explain society's resistance to confronting racial history and inequity.

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A steady look at how equality can be affirmed in public while still remaining incomplete in practice.

The episode takes up psychoanalytic language to consider racism, equality, and the gap between what Americans say and what they are willing to do.

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For when you want race, history, and psychology in one careful conversation.

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