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Probe and Discover: Coaching for Impact with Ramzi Marjaba (2/2)

December 31, 2024·42 min·3 clips

Ramzi's salesperson called him 'dead' after a demo that looked easy but took days of hidden preparation.

This episode focuses on coaching for technology professionals, featuring hosts John White and Nick Korte alongside returning guest Ramzi Marjaba, founder of We the Sales Engineers. Ramzi shares his expertise from coaching sales engineers and salespeople, contrasting coaching with management and mentoring. The discussion centers on the unique challenges sales engineers face, like quantifying their work and managing internal relationships. Ramzi recounts a story where a salesperson scheduled a demo without proper preparation, forcing him to intervene and spend days ensuring success, only to be criticized for the time spent. He references David Zweig's book "Invisibles" to describe how technical professionals often make complex work look effortless. A key recommendation is maintaining a "brag file" to document accomplishments for promotions and to counter perceptions of low effort. Ramzi advises copying managers on emails to passively showcase work volume and complexity. He argues most managers do not effectively coach due to power dynamics and employees' fear of vulnerability impacting performance reviews. Ramzi defines coaching as guiding individuals to build their own plans through probing questions, unlike mentoring which offers direct advice from experience. He notes coaching often involves monetary compensation, creating a formal stakeholder relationship focused solely on the client's success. Essential coaching skills include active listening, asking discovery questions, and helping clients build their own vision. A common pattern Ramzi observes is that clients seeking demo improvement usually have poor discovery skills, leading to irrelevant presentations. He also addresses career stagnation, helping bored sales engineers find new challenges without leaving their role. Ramzi explains his coaching business allows him to be fully honest with clients, unlike a manager who must balance employee needs with business directives. He shares a personal example of a past manager blocking an internal job transfer, illustrating why employees might withhold information. The future of We the Sales Engineers involves expanding coaching and consulting to help startups align sales and sales engineering processes. Ramzi warns side hustles can lead to burnout if they conflict with personal interests, sharing his own experience of dreading podcast recordings as a warning sign. He emphasizes choosing side projects that enhance primary job skills to justify the time investment. The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on how discovery skills apply beyond sales to improve personal and professional communication. The tone is conversational and educational, blending personal anecdotes with practical career advice. This episode is ideal for sales engineers, technical professionals seeking career advancement, or anyone interested in coaching dynamics. Listeners looking for highly technical content or debate-driven formats might find it less engaging.

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A practical take on coaching as accountability, not distant advice.

Ramsey Marjaba keeps the coaching-versus-mentoring distinction clean, and that clarity gives the episode its shape. Coaching comes across as a formal relationship built on accountability, with the coach standing beside the person, asking questions, and helping build a plan for…

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If you want coaching advice that turns into action, this one stays concrete and hands-on.

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