Miracle Voices - A Course In Miracles Podcast (ACIM) · Judy Skutch Whitson, Tam Morgan, and Matthew McCabe

Ep 162 - These Triggers are Here For You - Dov Fishman

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Dov calls Lesson 135, paragraph 18, the “atonement lesson” and says all events are gently planned for your good.

1. Miracle Voices - A Course In Miracles Podcast (ACIM) centers this conversation on Dov Fishman’s use of A Course in Miracles to reinterpret triggers, forgiveness, and metaphysics. 2. Hosts Matthew McCabe and Tam Morgan speak with guest Dov Fishman, who teaches the Course and says he lives about 10 miles north of Manhattan in Hastings-on-Hudson. 3. The episode asks what the Course is for when stress, anger, grief, and relationship conflict appear in ordinary life. 4. Dov traces his introduction to the Course through S, Stuart Emery, Jerry Jampolsky, and Helen Schucman, then quotes the advice he heard in New York City: “Just get the book, start with lesson one.” 5. He says Lesson 189, paragraph 7, changed everything when “forget this world” and “forget this course” made the book feel unlike “another book.” 6. Dov presents his first marriage as his forgiveness story and says he was 21 when he got married and had already turned the marriage into an ego project. 7. He says his first wife’s comment on the wedding night exposed his motives, and he later described himself as “such a jerk” when he apologized to her years later. 8. He says that apology happened at his grandson’s engagement party, where Carol wept and told him it was “the most beautiful thing” he could have said. 9. Dov says he and his first wife now have a good relationship, which he links directly to forgiveness. 10. He explains that his second wife, Suzanne, came from a similar S and Course background and became his co-teacher in a Greenwich Village group he started leading in 1980. 11. Dov says Suzanne died in February 2021 after an eight-year bout with cancer, and he describes her as his “mighty companion.” 12. His email signature line, “Be grateful for your triggers,” becomes a teaching point when he lists stress, upset, fear, anger, conflict, complexity, grief, lack, loss, relationships, and overthinking. 13. He says the Course teaches that people who upset you are not accidents but lessons, and he quotes Ken Wapnick’s advice to stay with the places that feel uncomfortable. 14. Dov gives a classroom example with someone calling him a liar and says the metaphysical response is to notice that “there’s no one outside of you.” 15. He tells a story about his mother using the word “ambivalent,” which helped him reframe contradiction as “the ego bouncing around.” 16. He recalls a 1979 street scene near the New York Public Library on Fifth Avenue, where his mother treated a man being hit with a two-by-four as part of a repeated pattern rather than a unique crisis. 17. The conversation has a reflective interview style, with Matt and Tam asking for stories, dates, quotes, and specific Course references. 18. Dov answers in a loose, teaching-heavy rhythm, moving from personal memory to Chapter and Lesson numbers, then back to practical examples like yoga, yogurt, and web edition searches. 19. Listeners interested in A Course in Miracles, forgiveness, and metaphysical interpretation will get the most from this episode. 20. Listeners wanting a short, linear story with no Course references may skip it.

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