Miracle Voices - A Course In Miracles Podcast (ACIM) · Judy Skutch Whitson, Tam Morgan, and Matthew McCabe

Ep 150 - I Am Dreaming All of This - John Mackey

·1 hr 2 min·4 clips

"You are dreaming all of this" became the answer John Mackey had been seeking about suffering.

1. Miracle Voices interviews John Mackey about A Course in Miracles, and the conversation centers on how his spiritual practice connects to forgiveness, breathwork, and the idea that life is a dream. 2. Hosts Matthew McCabe and Tam Morgan guide the discussion with John Mackey, who is introduced from Boulder, Colorado, as a Course student and the founder of Whole Foods Market. 3. The episode asks how a person moves from suffering and judgment toward love, forgiveness, and daily spiritual practice through A Course in Miracles. 4. Mackey says three things came together in 1984: legal MDMA, regular breathwork, and a friend introducing him to A Course in Miracles. 5. He says the MDMA experience gave him a “big heart awakening” and made him realize that love is the most important thing in the universe. 6. He describes entering the Course with resistance because of its Christian terminology and because he had become an atheist after struggling with the problem of evil. 7. A passage that says “You are dreaming all of this” gave him what he calls the answer to his question about why God allows suffering. 8. Mackey says he got up and ran around his house after reading that line, and he has studied the Course ever since 1984. 9. He says his spiritual path has not been a straight line, but more like “a spiral of three steps forward and a step back.” 10. He says the Course has made his “dream” a happier one, with more love, more light, and meeting the right people at the right time. 11. Mackey says forgiveness is one of his most important practices because the ego tries to sustain itself through judgment and fault-finding. 12. He says even traffic irritation, such as someone cutting him off, becomes a chance to practice forgiveness. 13. His biggest forgiveness story is about his mother, who wanted him to become a doctor or lawyer and saw Whole Foods Market as a downward move. 14. He says his mother died in 1987 after asking him on her deathbed to go back to school and finish his education. 15. He says forgiving both parents helped him see that they loved him deeply and did the best they could with what they knew. 16. He says he thinks about his parents almost every day and would give anything to spend an hour with them again. 17. The tone is reflective and personal, with Matthew McCabe and Tam Morgan both adding examples from dreams, surrender, and daily practice. 18. The format is conversational and exploratory, with extended back-and-forth on lucid dreaming, breathwork, and the difference between “surrender,” “release,” and “accept.” 19. People interested in A Course in Miracles, forgiveness, breathwork, and spiritual psychology will likely appreciate this episode. 20. Listeners wanting a fast business interview or a skeptical debate may skip it.

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A reflective ACIM conversation about surrender, control, and the surprises inside answered wishes.

Miracle Voices leans into the kind of spiritual storytelling it knows how to do: a personal account, a remembered lesson, and a steady move from control toward surrender.

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