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Illuminating the Dark Funnel

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What's the actual engagement and then roll that up?

The episode starts with a blunt problem: a lot of B2B marketing firms cannot act on their attribution data. Chris Golick treats that gap as a blind spot that makes plenty of reporting look more useful than it really is. He and Benjamin Shapiro then turn to the hidden customer journey that happens outside standard analytics. That leads into a world where consumers lean on Zoom, zero-click AI experiences, and other paths that do not leave easy traces. Chris draws a line between explicit intent and the bigger pile of implied intent data the industry sells as if it were certainty. He says explicit intent matters most because it shows real activity from the right people. Reading a social post, visiting a website, or checking a G2 profile means more than a loose claim that someone read something somewhere. The episode keeps returning to that difference. It also asks how to weigh engagement instead of just counting it. Chris argues that time spent with content is a better measure than a drive-by ad impression. A longer article, a video, or a podcast episode tells you more about a buyer's interest than a quick thumb scroll. Benjamin pushes on the practical side of that logic by comparing channels and asking which ones actually drive stronger intent. The discussion makes room for podcasts and video as higher-engagement media, not because they are trendy, but because they hold attention for minutes rather than seconds. That matters when you are trying to judge whether a channel is building knowledge or just buying a fleeting glance. The guest keeps circling back to the idea that a lot of intent data is really manufactured. That skepticism gives the episode its edge. Instead of trusting every signal equally, it asks where the signal came from and what it actually proves. The result is a practical conversation about measurement, not a victory lap for new tools. It cares less about buzzwords than about the workflow behind them. By the end, the episode argues for a stricter reading of what counts as real buying intent. It treats longer engagement, clearer source behavior, and better context as the signals worth trusting.

As heard by us

A focused look at which engagement signals better reveal buying intent.

Benjamin Shapiro and Chris Golick spend the conversation on a simple problem: how to tell real intent from the noise that analytics leaves behind.

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When you want to separate explicit intent from the manufactured kind.

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