Let’s Chat About Our Pets Podcast · Nature's Therapies Animal Behaviour

S2, Ep 8: Guest Speaker ~ Dr Isla Fishburn ~ animal consciousness & soul healing

·1 hr 6 min·4 clips

A soul retrieval changed Tunkasila's recovery time from three or four days to about 10 minutes.

Lizzie opens by introducing Dr Isla Fishburne and framing the conversation around a recent channeling experience with her cats. Isla responds warmly and sets a reflective tone right away. The discussion then moves into the idea that animals are conscious in a way that is not the same as human thinking. Isla says animals are not spending their time worrying about the past or projecting into the future. She explains that what looks like repeated behaviour is often the body responding to stored experience. That shift matters because it changes the question from "why is my animal doing this" to "what did their body learn from this." The conversation also turns toward human projection. Isla names the common habit of making pets carry our need to be liked or approved of. She suggests that if a person wants their animal to have more friends, or to fit into a certain social picture, it is worth asking where that urge comes from. The point is made without blame. The hosts keep the tone open and conversational while working through some fairly big ideas. Isla keeps circling back to the same core point: the animal does not care how many friends it has, but the human relationship to the animal can still be shaped by those concerns. She also makes room for the physical reality of animals having bodies, and bodies having their own intelligence. That matters because safety and memory live there. When an animal reacts to a similar person, dog, or situation, Isla frames it as the body recognizing a pattern rather than the mind replaying a story. The episode then widens again into shame, self judgment, and the way people often pile more pressure onto themselves when they notice their own patterns. Isla pushes back against that, saying the point is not to judge ourselves harder. Instead, the work is to notice the charge and ask what need is underneath it. As the discussion continues, the tone becomes more expansive and gently spiritual. Isla speaks about oneness, unconditional love, trust, and joy as qualities that connect people more deeply to their animals. She links that to childlike playfulness and innocence, suggesting that adults are invited to keep those qualities alive rather than leaving them behind. The closing stretch circles back to the central message that people are no different to their animal friends in the deepest sense. The episode ends on a note of openness, blessing, and appreciation, with both speakers acknowledging the warmth of the exchange.

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A reflective animal conversation that turns everyday projection into a gentler way of seeing animals.

This episode sits at the meeting point of animal care and a reflective look at consciousness, projection, and the urge to see an animal as its own being.

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