Ken and Robin Talk About Stuff · Kenneth Hite and Robin D Laws

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July 25, 2025·1 hr 11 min·5 clips
Ken and Robin debate why 'role-playing' has two conflicting meanings that shape gaming culture.
Ken and Robin discuss the dual meanings of 'role-playing' in gaming, explore artist Ethel Cahoon's occult surrealism, review fantasy films from the 1950s, and humorously tackle John Ruskin's 'pathetic fallacy' with a time travel twist.

As heard by us

A loose, reference-heavy conversation that treats the detours as part of the point.

Ken Hite and Robin D. Laws start with the two meanings of role-playing, then range out to Ethel Cahoon, fantasy film essentials into the 50s, and some well-placed badgering of John Ruskin. The thread is loose, but that looseness suits the episode.

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Why you'd press play

For when you want the two meanings of role-playing, occult art history, and fantasy-film essentials in one detour.

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