#77: Scaling Growth Like an Operating System with Olena Derebera

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Base44 sold to Wix for $80 million after six months and eight employees, showing how fast AI products can move.

The first beat is personal. The host asks Olena what she is doing in Kyiv, and why she stayed after leaving during 2022. That question carries weight. Olena says she was the only person in her family who could still earn, so she moved through Poland and France while looking for work across Europe. The search took longer than she expected. She describes European hiring as slower than in Ukraine, with roughly eight stages instead of about five. Then she wanted to see her parents. Before starting a new job, she came back, rented an Airbnb in Kyiv, and somehow stayed. The conversation does not overplay it. The host lets the war sit in the background before easing toward her work. Then he makes the pivot. He says he hates vague growth titles and asks Olena what product growth actually means. Her answer is clean: growth multiplies business results through virality or mechanics that help people use the product more and get more value from it. She does not leave it at acquisition. Treating growth as marketing, she says, makes it too top-of-funnel. When the host asks for examples, he brings up Lovable and Elena Verna, and Olena points to collaboration inside builder tools as a stronger growth pattern. The ending stays loose, with the host thanking her for slowing down his usual tech pace and landing on a simple point: build something real before pushing it harder.

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A candid, builder-minded take on growth that keeps returning to real product value.

Olena Derebera begins with a wartime choice in Kyiv and then settles into a plain, useful argument about product growth. The strongest parts are the personal stakes and the emphasis on real use, retention, and collaboration.

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