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(INTERVIEW) ENQUÊTE : dans les coulisses des espions du président

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Anthony Zambard explains how French espionage operates in a legal gray zone abroad, risking prison if caught.

1. HugoDécrypte interviews Anthony Zambard and Pierre Gastineau, co-authors of 'Les espions du président,' about the inner workings of French intelligence under Macron. 2. Zambard and Gastineau are investigative journalists who spent years cultivating sources inside the Élysée and French intelligence services to document this period. 3. The episode's core thesis is that Macron transformed French intelligence from a peripheral state function into a vertically controlled presidential tool, with both gains and serious risks. 4. The authors distinguish espionage — illegally stealing foreign intelligence — from the broader 'renseignement' family, which includes counter-terrorism, financial intelligence via Tracfin, and economic espionage. 5. Under De Gaulle, intelligence was considered secondary to diplomacy; Macron reversed this, increasing budgets and staffing and insisting on direct control of intelligence chiefs. 6. PC Jupiter, a Cold War anti-atomic shelter 70 metres below the Élysée, became Macron's preferred venue for defence councils because its electromagnetic shielding prevents all phone communications. 7. The Pegasus affair saw Moroccan intelligence services suspected of targeting Macron's mobile number; Macron responded by ordering the DGSE to run counter-operations against Moroccan spies in France, which were later wound down as France judged Moroccan mediation services — such as freeing four DGSE agents in Burkina Faso — more valuable than retaliation. 8. Adviser Paul Solaire, a former special forces officer recruited into Macron's team in 2016, ran back-channel talks between Russian and Ukrainian military intelligence in Istanbul, Astana, and Abu Dhabi after official diplomatic channels closed following February 2022. 9. DGSE director Bernard Amier — former ambassador to Beirut who had met Nasrallah in the 2000s — travelled to Lebanon two months after October 7, changed cars multiple times in parking garages with curtained windows, and arrived blindfolded at a Hezbollah building for a meeting with Nasrallah. 10. The Amier meeting was described inside the Élysée as both a coup d'audace and a 'coup de folie'; Amier left his post weeks later, officially due to the DGSE's failures in Africa rather than the Beirut trip. 11. France's failure to anticipate Russia's invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022 is attributed not to naivety but to arrogance: French officials believed Americans were being tricked by a Russian bluff and had no contingency dossier prepared. 12. On the morning of February 24, Macron's advisors scrambled through unplanned meetings; sanctions packages against Russian companies had not been prepared in advance because the conviction that no invasion would happen had permeated all state services. 13. In the Sahel, the DGSE's counter-terrorism focus on killing jihadists consumed resources that could have monitored rising political instability inside Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, and Chad — the authors argue analysts flagging internal tensions were simply less audible to decision-makers than counter-terrorism briefers. 14. The authors describe coups in the Sahel as a failure of political intelligence prioritisation: services could not simultaneously cover jihadist networks and monitor army officers growing restive against French presence. 15. Macron designated economic espionage as his second intelligence priority after counter-terrorism, mandating the DGSE to intercept foreign competitors' communications to help French groups such as Naval Group win arms contracts. 16. The authors note that selling Rafale jets or nuclear submarines does not just create jobs — it ties buyers into French supply chains, software updates, and strategic alignment, giving France lasting geopolitical leverage. 17. The episode's most alarming section concerns Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin, who coined the term 'éco-terroriste' for radical ecologists, then directed intelligence services to retrospectively build dossiers justifying the label — reversing the normal intelligence-to-policy flow. 18. The episode is structured as a long-form two-guest interview with Hugo from HugoDécrypte asking structured thematic questions; tone is analytical rather than polemical, with sources cited as senior unnamed intelligence officials. 19. People with an interest in French politics, intelligence services, or geopolitics will find detailed sourced anecdotes unavailable elsewhere. 20. Listeners looking for a short news summary or who do not read French will find the 38-minute format and French language a barrier.

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