GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast · Alex Smith, Eric Widera

The Chaplain and the Doctor: A Podcast with Betty Clark and Jessica Zitter

November 20, 2025·46 min·4 clips
Jessica admits she got defensive when Betty called her team's assumption about a 'gangbanger' patient racist.
Hosts Eric Widera and Alex Smith interview chaplain Betty Clark and doctor Jessica Zitter about their film 'The Chaplain and the Doctor,' exploring themes of implicit bias, racism in healthcare, and the vital role of chaplains in palliative care teams. They discuss personal stories of overcoming prejudice and fostering interprofessional collaboration to improve patient care.

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A sharp bedside conversation about bias, care, and the stories clinicians bring into the room.

This episode uses The Chaplain and the Doctor to get at the messier parts of hospital care: bias, trust, identity, and the moments when a clinician thinks they are helping.

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Press play if you want a film discussion that turns into bedside ethics.

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