Foul Play: A Historical True Crime Podcast · Shane L. Waters, Wendy Cee, Gemma Hoskins

Taipei: Uncovering Evidence in The Chia Case

April 9, 2025·22 min

Episode four of the Charles and Jennifer Cha case examines evidence and investigative facts, featuring retired detectives Alan Fox and Ron Dreher. Discusses how initial missing children classification led to different protocols than homicide investigation. Examines Gordon Shaw's mysterious pre-disappearance phone call and subsequent polygraph clearance. Details James Grooms' ransom extortion attempt and subsequent investigation into possible connections. Highlights investigative limitations of 1989 protocols and evidence gaps that contributed to case remaining unsolved.

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A measured true-crime episode that stays anchored in evidence rather than instinct.

The episode stays with the space between suspicion and proof, returning to a long-running case shaped by buried children, multiple suspects, and the danger of reading more into the facts than they can support.

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A case where evidence stays ahead of speculation.

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