Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy · David Burns, MD

The Music of TEAM

September 5, 2025·56 min·5 clips

Rachel reveals that YouTube comments about songs saving lives inspired her to write a TEAM-CBT therapy song.

This episode features Dr. David Burns and host Dr. Rhonda Barovsky with guests Rachel Dillman, Angela Poach, Shailene Burton, Heather Clegg, and Mark Noble, all therapists or coaches within the TEAM-CBT community who are also musicians. They share original songs inspired by TEAM-CBT principles, created for both therapeutic and entertainment purposes. Rachel Dillman wrote a song based directly on the TEAM-CBT model after reading Dr. Burns's book "Feeling Great." Angela Poach and Shailene Burton collaborated on a "virtual choir" piece with lyrics by Angela and music by Shai, incorporating Dr. Burns's quote about no longer needing to be special. Heather Clegg, with Brandon Vance, performed a song highlighting the paradoxical nature of TEAM-CBT techniques. Neuroscientist Mark Noble presented multiple songs, including one exploring concepts of "self" and another humorous tune celebrating the power of placebos. Angela Poach also shared a song titled "Tell Yourself the Truth," for which she used AI to generate the vocal performance. A surprising moment is Mark Noble's use of AI to create a country song titled "Feeling Great" based on his lyrics. The guests discuss how music can be a therapeutic tool, with Shailene Burton sharing an example of a client who used songwriting for their Daily Mood Log homework. Rachel Dillman mentions forming a "TEAM music artist" Google group for ongoing collaboration, open to others in the community. The tone is celebratory, supportive, and creatively playful, focusing on the intersection of artistic expression and therapeutic work. Listeners who enjoy music, creativity, and community-building within a psychotherapy context will find this episode uplifting. Those seeking a traditional, technique-focused episode on TEAM-CBT methods might prefer other installments of the podcast.

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