Think Piece Music With Eli Enis, Special Guest

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Eli Enis rants that music critics lazily frame Turnstile as saving hardcore, a genre they don't bother to understand.

The episode begins with the hosts welcoming special guest Eli Enis, a music writer known for his work at Stereogum and Pitchfork. After casual banter, they briefly revisit a previous discussion about Sabrina Carpenter's single 'Man Child,' now revealed to be a lead single for an album called 'Man's Best Friend' due in August, which they critique as a poorly timed and unexciting follow-up. The conversation then shifts to the core topic: Turnstile's new album 'Never Enough.' Eli Enis, who reviewed the album for Stereogum, provides context on the band's rise since 'Glow On' in 2021, noting their growth into one of the world's biggest newer bands. He shares his initial underwhelmed reaction to the singles and album, but explains how it grew on him with repeated listens, though he still considers 'Glow On' superior. The hosts collectively analyze the album's strengths and weaknesses, criticizing its lengthy outros and interludes that make the 45-minute record feel drawn-out. They compare it to Turnstile's earlier work, discussing how the band has transitioned from hardcore to a broader rock sound. Features from artists like Hayley Williams and Faye Webster are noted as feeling anonymous or underutilized. The discussion touches on broader themes in music, such as how bands evolve over four albums into general rock acts and the trend of large band lineups. Eli Enis delivers a passionate rant about how music journalism often frames Turnstile as 'saving' or 'breaking boundaries' in hardcore, a narrative he finds reductive and ignorant of the thriving, diverse hardcore scene. He argues that critics dismiss hardcore as conservative without engaging with its culture, unlike how they treat other genres. The episode wraps with acknowledgments to patrons and plans for a summer break, ending on a light note about the hosts' dynamics.

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