Disruptive Influence: The Business Storytelling & Brand Communication Podcast · Jeff Abracen

How and Why You Need to Stop Reading Slides with Ben Levy

·1 hr 7 min·4 clips

"It's not the best idea that wins. It's the most persuasive argument."

1. Disruptive Influence: The Business Storytelling & Brand Communication Podcast centers on Ben Levy’s case for stopping slide-reading in presentations. 2. Jeff Abrason speaks with Ben Levy, a creative director, presentation coach, and author who says he has spent about six years teaching this work. 3. The episode asks what presentations are for when the room already reads faster than the speaker can talk. 4. Levy says reading slides is frustrating because humans read two to three times faster than they speak. 5. He traces his own problem back to advertising agencies, where creatives are suddenly pushed into client meetings with no training. 6. He describes standing next to work like a security guard in an art museum and believing the work should sell itself. 7. Levy says he tried to become “more excited” by speaking louder for six months, and it changed nothing. 8. He says the real fix is not louder delivery but a better structure for the meeting. 9. Levy breaks his coaching into story structure, delivery, and adaptability. 10. He says adaptability matters when a client hates something on slide two or asks a question the presenter cannot answer. 11. Levy argues that confidence comes from knowing the story, knowing what goes on the slides, and knowing the next move. 12. He says story in this context should run from start to finish, with smaller A plot, B plot, and C plot moments inside it. 13. He criticizes agency presentations that feel like separate department homework, with upfront, strategy, and work sections that do not connect. 14. Levy says agencies should ask what the next step is instead of recapping every prior meeting in one session. 15. He warns that cramming research, brief, insight, and ideas into one meeting creates cascading approvals and high stress. 16. Levy recommends splitting the process into shorter meetings, such as a strategy meeting first and idea review later, so the client can make better decisions. 17. He says his book uses a stop-start format, including “stop relying on templates” and “start using those four questions” as a framework. 18. The conversation is conversational, fast, and shaped by examples from agency life, with several jokes about t-shirts, standing on one foot, and “we’ll get back to you.” 19. Agency strategists, creative directors, and presentation coaches will get the most out of this episode. 20. Listeners looking for celebrity gossip or narrative drama will probably skip it.

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A sharp case for making the room hear the idea, not just read the deck.

Jeff Abrason's conversation with Ben Levy keeps returning to a simple point: a strong idea can still lose if it is delivered badly. Ben, a creative director and presentation coach, makes the case that slide-reading drains energy from a room and turns a pitch into a chore.

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If your deck keeps losing the room, Ben Levy shows you why.

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