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Hélène Landemore about deliberative democracy, citizens' assemblies and the future of democracy

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Landemore prefers random selection over elections because it ensures a 'purely egalitarian distribution' of political power.

Hélène Landemore begins by setting the ground: she is a political theorist thinking through sovereignty, equality, freedom, and legitimacy, with some help from social science. Technology comes in through democracy, not gadget fascination. Her interest in artificial intelligence is really about citizenship, human freedom, and whether people might gain more collective capacity from it. The conversation stays cautious. Landemore does not want to brutally swap out an entire political system for a theory that still has plenty of blank space. Reform has to be tried before it becomes rupture. For her, theory prepares possible exits, especially if existing democratic systems keep sliding toward breakdown. History gives the warning label. The French and American revolutions both show political invention under pressure, but with very different results. The American founders come off as improvisers: borrowing from Rome, steering clear of Athenian democracy, and piecing together republican, oligarchic, monarchic, and democratic principles. The French example shows how fast constitutional experiments can collapse, then multiply into later forms. So the practical question becomes scale. Landemore points to local democratic experiments as the safer place to try mechanisms, revise them, and see what holds up. Citizens still need real authority. Experts can help start or advise the process, but once citizens convene, voting power should move away from the experts. The host hears promise in the uncertainty; Landemore leaves the hard part open, which is how this would actually work.

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A practical case for trying democratic reform in small doses before asking it to scale.

Hélène Landemore treats democracy as something that can be designed, tested, and repaired, and she links that idea to AI's possible role in strengthening citizen connection, mobilizing knowledge, and improving the epistemic side of democracy.

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You want a serious case for testing democracy before anyone starts talking about a full rebuild.

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