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Information Security vs. Cybersecurity

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Why does the industry pigeonhole CISO duties under just cybersecurity when their role is much broader?
The episode opens with host David Spark introducing the topic of Information Security versus Cybersecurity, sparked by a LinkedIn post from guest co-host John Underwood. John explains he posted to remind peers that cybersecurity is just one component of a CISO's duties, which also include governance, risk management, and business processes. Guest Mike Lockhart, CISO at Eagleview, joins to share his perspective, calling cybersecurity a terrible term that originated from sci-fi and now pigeonholes the profession. The hosts read quotes from industry professionals like Gabe Silva and Linda Rust, who debate whether terminology matters or if communication should meet the audience where they are. John reveals his post garnered over 1100 likes and 100 comments, showing intense community passion. Mike and John discuss how newcomers often equate cybersecurity with red teaming, missing broader career paths in governance or building. Mike simplifies this as 'build, break, or govern.' The conversation shifts to the CISO's role, with Mike emphasizing it's about enabling teams, managing risk, and communicating with leadership rather than technical work. John agrees, highlighting business enablement. The episode includes a sponsor segment for Scrutt Automation, a GRC platform. In closing, Mike shares his rewarding experience empowering teams as a CISO, and John advises to just embrace the job regardless of terminology.

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A CISO conversation on scope, business impact, and paths into cybersecurity.

Defense In-Depth turns a familiar title question into a clear look at scope: what belongs under cyber security, and what sits in the wider lane of information security.

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If your CISO title still has fuzzy edges, this conversation will feel familiar.

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