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Snowball - Episode 7: The Morning After

December 15, 2025·24 min·1 clip

Greg says the good life can mean walking your daughter to school instead of driving a Ferrari.

1. Deep Cover's Snowball - Episode 7: The Morning After follows Ollie Wards after his meeting with Leslie in a Californian car park. 2. Ollie Wards and Simon debrief the meeting, while Leslie matters because she is Ollie's brother Greg's former wife and the subject of the investigation. 3. The episode asks whether Ollie can understand Leslie's motives after she declines another detailed interview. 4. Leslie texts Ollie that the events occurred more than 10 years earlier and that she has moved past the pain, lies, deceit, and loneliness. 5. Leslie refuses to meet Ollie at a Starbucks near the supermarket where she works. 6. Ollie considers asking Leslie about Eric T. Weiss, the alleged fake lawyer used in her stories. 7. A woman who knew Leslie in a beachside town says Leslie slept in a camper, the back of her car, campgrounds, and a hotel. 8. Ollie records that he feels sad seeing Leslie move from living in Matakana, New Zealand, to sleeping in her car. 9. Greg says Leslie's homelessness would be a consequence of choices that affected people he considers victims. 10. Leslie sends Ollie a message accusing him of slandering her and threatening a restraining order against Ollie, Simon, and others. 11. Maria Konnikova says con artists are not usually motivated primarily by financial gain. 12. Konnikova describes power over other people and control over their lives as a potentially intoxicating reward. 13. Konnikova says more than 90% of true con artists are repeat offenders when given opportunities to stop. 14. Ollie connects Konnikova's explanation of created realities to Leslie's world around Eric T. Weiss. 15. Ollie says Leslie never provides the last known number for Eric T. Weiss, leaving the character as fictional history. 16. Leslie's parents, Betty and Andrew, do not respond to Ollie's voicemail, email, or letter. 17. Ollie chooses not to record a later phone call when Greg cries because he is Greg's brother before he is a journalist. 18. Greg says family, friends, walking his daughter to school, and a regular street matter more than a Ferrari. 19. The episode uses reflective first-person narration, recorded conversations, voicemail, text messages, and road-trip interviews. 20. Listeners interested in investigative storytelling, deception, and family consequences should consider it; listeners wanting a neatly resolved case may skip it.

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A wary post-confrontation chapter that turns Leslie's story toward control, invention, and the unanswered role of her family.

The Morning After stays in the unsettled space after Leslie is found in a California car park. The charge is intimate before it turns analytical: a cheap motel room, Simon beside the host, thin bedsheets, and the awkward admission that sympathy can still creep in for someone the…

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You get the morning after the Leslie car-park encounter, with the investigation still circling what her story is really about.

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