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The Perry Russo Interview Under Hypnosis Part 2

April 2, 2026·43 min·2 clips

Jim Garrison’s memo ties Perry Russo’s hypnosis to Clay Shaw, David Ferry, and an "alternate Oswald."

Good morning, everybody. The episode opens with Corey Hughes looking back at his AM Wake Up conversation with Chuck Ocelli. He notes the skepticism, the rare chance to talk with someone in JFK research, and his feeling that the exchange landed well. Then it is back to the files. Hughes picks up Perry Russo's hypnosis statements about visits to David Ferry's apartment at 33 Louisiana Avenue Parkway. The questioning is narrow and packed with names. Russo is asked about September 1963, whether he saw Clem again after the 16th, and whether Bertrand shows up in the memory sequence. Hughes pauses long enough to tell newer listeners that, in his read, the Leon Oswald figure is Kerry Thornley. Then he keeps moving through the transcript's prompts, names, and procedural wording. The focus shifts when a passage presents Shaw as something more specific than a co-conspirator beside Ferry and the others. In that document, Shaw looks like the person carrying instructions down to lower-status participants. Hughes reacts right away. That is exactly how he understands Shaw's role, and he ties it upward through CMC and Permindex as the bridge to the higher elements in the conspiracy frame he is building here. The paperwork stays messy. He says one section may be a memo or the end of a letter, points out Garrison's signature, and notes that Russo's hypnotic statement appears in two parts, apparently because Dr. Fatter added a break or rest period. Then Hughes reads a March 18, 1967 Times-Picayune clipping quoting Dr. Donald M. Gallant of Trulane Medical School on hypnosis. Gallant warns that no procedure proves truth with 100% consistency, even while making stronger claims about hypnotism under an expert. Hughes reads the warning, takes it seriously enough to name it, and then keeps following the pattern he thinks the documents show. The ending turns biographical and weird. He reads a short Clay Shaw note about a house, a deep red stairway and cushions, and items Garrison's men removed, including whips, chains, black hoods, and capes. Then the file runs out. Hughes sees Philip Jirachi material ahead, says he thinks he already covered that ground, and closes the Perry Russo hypnosis thread for now.

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A blunt file dive that sets hypnosis, memos, and press skepticism against each other.

Corey Hughes keeps the Perry Russo hypnosis material moving by treating the prompts, Russo's answers, and the surrounding memo language like a working file instead of a settled story.

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You want the Russo hypnosis file treated like evidence, not wallpaper.

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