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Does NATO Promote Global Stability or Promote War & Conflict (07/15/24) (Part 2/2)

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Swanson says NATO needs to "read its own charter" while arguing the UN General Assembly can act on Gaza through "Uniting for Peace."

1. Bringing Light Into Darkness - News & Analysis focuses on the July 15, 2024 discussion with David Swanson about NATO, war, and international law. 2. David Swanson is introduced as executive director of World Beyond War, campaign coordinator for Roots Action, an author, activist, journalist, and host of Talk World Radio. 3. The episode asks whether NATO promotes global stability or normalizes war through a "rules-based order" that Swanson says is not law-based. 4. Swanson says he and Medea Benjamin published NATO, What You Need to Know with a preface by Jeffrey Sachs. 5. He argues that NATO's charter is at odds with the UN charter, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and Hague-era treaties that treat war as illegal. 6. Swanson says NATO members can join wars under a defensive label, but he describes that as a loophole rather than a lawful standard. 7. He says NATO has shifted from defense to deterrence, then to humanitarian war-making, drugs, terrorism, piracy, and fighting opponents of "our values." 8. He says NATO is unelected, lacks transparency, and generally follows the U.S. government rather than the will of most nations. 9. Swanson compares adding allies to a war to bringing "10 friends" to help with a crime, saying it does not make the act legal. 10. He ties this argument to Iraq, where he says Kofi Annan called the war illegal and NATO later created a training exercise while the war was still underway. 11. He says NATO was also involved in the war in Palestine and other conflicts without consensus among its own members. 12. Swanson notes that the United States often votes against the UN majority on the Cuba embargo and remains outside treaties on cluster munitions, landmines, and nuclear weapons. 13. He points to worldbeyondwar.org and its "mapping militarism" section as a way to compare which countries have signed or ratified specific treaties. 14. He says the United States and Russia both claim the right to violate cluster-bomb rules while demanding that the other side be prosecuted. 15. Swanson says the General Assembly should use "Uniting for Peace" on Gaza because the Security Council veto blocks action. 16. He argues that the United States stands virtually alone among wealthy industrialized countries in staying outside the Convention on the Rights of the Child. 17. The interview is direct, argumentative, and data-heavy, with the host interrupting at times to underline points about omitted information and mainstream coverage. 18. Swanson repeatedly uses examples, treaty names, voting ratios, and summit events rather than broad generalities. 19. Listeners interested in NATO, peace law, U.S. foreign policy, and antiwar organizing will get the most from this episode. 20. Listeners looking for a short, apolitical summary of the summit or a NATO-friendly framing may skip it.

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