Breaking Form: a Poetry and Culture Podcast · Aaron Smith and James Allen Hall

Ekphrastic Poetry

October 20, 2025·32 min
Ekphrasis arrives cracking jokes. James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith start with the word itself, circling ekphrasis and ekphrastic while admitting how weird it can feel to say literary terms out loud. Fancy does not last long here. A sestina pronunciation story turns embarrassment into craft-adjacent comedy, which is the show's way into serious attention. The episode keeps swerving, but it knows where it is going. The subject is poetry made in contact with visual art: a painting as argument, persona, pressure, and excuse to speak. Paul Tran's poem hits first and hits hard. The Judith and Holofernes material gives the hosts a sharp case of a speaker stepping into an image and taking its power back. After the reading, the reaction is all heat: passion, lyric beauty, and the way the poem inhabits persona instead of just pointing at a canvas. Anne Sexton follows with stars. The Starry Night comes in through Van Gogh's letter to his brother and its aching need for religion, then slips into night, paint, and longing. The episode treats ekphrastic poetry like a live exchange between image, poet, history, and need, not a polite museum assignment. Pop culture still barges in. Beverly Hills, 90210 and Vic Faces end up beside Stephen Mitchell, Byron Katie, and a wink at the show's own audience. The mess is the method. Literary form, queer banter, gossip, grief, and admiration keep cutting each other off until ekphrasis feels alive. It is loose, pointed, gorgeous, violent, needy, funny, and strange, with its edges left on.
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