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Demolition Man

October 25, 2025·52 min·4 clips

Joyce Vance reveals how Trump's White House demolition exposes authoritarianism's fundamental weakness against millions protesting.

Dahlia Lithwick interviews Joyce White Vance about her book 'Giving Up is Unforgivable,' discussing the demolition of the White House East Wing as a metaphor for institutional decay, protests against authoritarianism, and threats to justice, voting rights, and Congress. Vance emphasizes fighting for democratic institutions despite current challenges.

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